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george318ci
13-03-07, 00:08
θελω κανενα site να κιταξω και αν γινετε να ωαλω στο τετρακιλινδρο... ευχαριστω προκαταβολικα...

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 00:28
http://damsport.7host.com/mert/fth-sc-1-(15).jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 00:28
E46 316-318 supercharger kit

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 00:32
http://damsport.7host.com/mert/DSC02216.jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 00:35
http://damsport.7host.com/mert/N46-(54).jpg

InsaneDriver
13-03-07, 00:38
Mert is it possible to preview a dyno chart before and after;

Is it 1.800cc or 2.000cc; What about the valvetronic system;

Very interesting...

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 00:52
This supercharger kit fits 3.16ci 115 hp and also 318ci 143 and 150 hp.

Basically, our supercharger kit fits N42, N43, N45 and N46

318ci has 1995 cc engine capacity and valvetronic. Engine code N46
Power of 318ci goes from 150 hp to 210 hp

316ci has 115 hp and valvetronic as well.
Power of 316ci goes from 115 to 165-170 hp.

Dyno result is on the computer of our Dynamics. I will post it tomorrow.

We use a Rotrex, front mount intercooler... boost is 6 psi on automatic transmission. 7-8 psi manual tranny

JimPik
13-03-07, 01:35
what about the costs???on N42 2.0 the increase is high?how many HP?
performance?

a dyno chart would be ideal...

interesting stuff

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 01:42
N42 2.0L from 143 hp to 200 hp

Price :)

Dim77
13-03-07, 01:43
What is very interesting is the fact that no BMW tuner produces a supercharger kt for the valvetronic engines (in spite of the fact that in the past it was a standard modification widely spread amongst BMW tuners).
As I am an owner of a 318Ci with the N42 engine I am interested in this.
But I have a lot of doubts about the valvetronic engine management and also it's endurance through time and distance.
A couple of years back Breyton advertised a kit like this for the newly arrived 120i claimed about 225hp and 270Nm. This disappeared from the site shortly after. Till now I haven't found a single thing in the net about a supercharged N42-N46 from a well known tuner.
Please enlighten us if you'd like.
Thanks in advance.
Dimitris

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 02:05
Dimitris,

We as DA produce a Twin Turbo Kit for E46 M3. A twin Turbo Kit for E36 M3, M Coupe and M ROadster. A twin supercharger kit for E39 M5. No other tuner produces these kits. ONLY WE DO. We love to desing kits that others do not offer.

These days we work on a RIGHT HAND DRIVE E46 M3 for turbocharging. No other tuner offers a turbo for RHD M3 E46. This makes us special.

About the valvetronic, this engine works very good. Some models are called back to BMW dealers for replacing a small part on the timing chain. Ask your dealer about this part. Takes 3 hours to replace the part of the chain. BMW recalled some models.

We use a rotrex supercharger and a front mount intercooler and many other details for this supercharger kit.

Installation time is 1 day. Bolt on. No fabrication. Straight fit.

We have many 318 and 318 here due to local tax issues. Taxes are very very high. And 1.6-1.8 litre cars are common. And we designed the N42-43-45-46 kits to make our customers happy.

`Because 115 hp is not enough, especially with 2 people in the car and air conditioner working. On highway 115 hp is not enough and it is like there is no 5th gear. In fifth gear I press pedal but no accelaration.` THESE ARE OUR CUSTOMER SENTENCES BEFORE SUPERCHARGER KIT.

After the supercharger kit N42-43-45-46 become sporty.

Mert

InsaneDriver
13-03-07, 02:15
Some models are called back to BMW dealers for replacing a small part on the timing chain. Ask your dealer about this part. Takes 3 hours to replace the part of the chain. BMW recalled some models.

You mean this one;

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=AT51&mospid=47649&btnr=11_3189&hg=11&fg=25&hl=13

with part of all if u know;

Τhanx Mert:rockon:

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 02:52
Some parts of the supercharger kit

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/AS1W%20(3).jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 02:53
Setrab oil cooler for ROTREX SUPERCHARGER


http://damsport.7host.com/mert/q1%20(41).jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 02:57
Supercharger oil cooler installed onto car

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/fth%20sc%201%20(14).jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 03:06
http://damsport.7host.com/mert/56.jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 03:10
E46 318ci had our Wide Body Conversion where the rear fenders are cut and hand made again

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/N46%20(23).jpg

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 03:12
http://damsport.7host.com/mert/N46%20(29).jpg

sthom
13-03-07, 10:07
What is very interesting is the fact that no BMW tuner produces a supercharger kt for the valvetronic engines (in spite of the fact that in the past it was a standard modification widely spread amongst BMW tuners).
As I am an owner of a 318Ci with the N42 engine I am interested in this.
But I have a lot of doubts about the valvetronic engine management and also it's endurance through time and distance.
A couple of years back Breyton advertised a kit like this for the newly arrived 120i claimed about 225hp and 270Nm. This disappeared from the site shortly after. Till now I haven't found a single thing in the net about a supercharged N42-N46 from a well known tuner.
Please enlighten us if you'd like.
Thanks in advance.
Dimitris


Breyton had many problems with that supercharger kit,that's the reason that they stopped the production.
I used to work for the Breyton dealer in Greece...


The compression ratio remains standard or do you use a thicker gasket?

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 11:10
N46 coded 318ci has 10,5:1 compression ratio which is very low and can be easily boosted with 1 bar and standard compression.

On E46 M3 we have 11,5:1 compression and boost 1 bar as well.

I do not know what the problem of breyton was. But it is very clear that breyton does not CONCENTRATE ON PRODUCING SUPER AND TURBOCHARGER KITS FOR BMWs. They do wheels and body kits....I dont see their kits on international forums. On the other side, our main business is SUPER AND TURBOCHARGING BMWs.

Dim77
13-03-07, 11:35
All of this is really interesting and very appealing to all of the users here with a car powered by the 2.0 liter N42-N46 engine.
But for me in particular I'm very sceptic about the valvetronic engine management and its endurance.

The fact that not a single BMW tuner has produced a kit for this engine (and not only this but for the N54 engines (130i, 325,330 E90) with valvetronic as well, is really something to be placed under concideration!

Maybe the difficulties of valvetronic management makes it very unsafe for long term use.

These are my thoughts of course.

P.S. I don't doubt your work, I'm just very sceptic about this kit in particular!
(I was planning for something like this when I purchased my car, but I found out after some research that it's not really a viable solution). I hope I'm wrong! :)

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 12:25
DIM 77.

Valve tronic engines N42-N46 has no problems. We have supercharged around 25 E46 N42-N46.

There are 2 reasons why others do not offer a SUPERCHARGER KIT FOR N42-N46

1- In order to produce a super/turbocharger for a BMW the tuner needs to invest 30.000 to 50.000 euro to have an excellent kit. Then, the tuner should sell kits in the long run and cover the cost. The tuner should see a potential of the KIT and sell in the long run.

2- As the N42-N46 did not enter america and sold mainly to Greece, Turkey, Asian countries, the American tuners could not see the N42-N46 engines.

3- We have many many N42-N46 engines here in Turkey and this was the main reason for our N42-N46 Supercharger Kit Production.

Ghost_
13-03-07, 12:34
Mert

Can you tell me the price of this kit for my car?

I have one 116i... can this cit work on this car?

sthom
13-03-07, 12:37
N46 coded 318ci has 10,5:1 compression ratio which is very low and can be easily boosted with 1 bar and standard compression.

On E46 M3 we have 11,5:1 compression and boost 1 bar as well.

I do not know what the problem of breyton was. But it is very clear that breyton does not CONCENTRATE ON PRODUCING SUPER AND TURBOCHARGER KITS FOR BMWs. They do wheels and body kits....I dont see their kits on international forums. On the other side, our main business is SUPER AND TURBOCHARGING BMWs.

Breyton is not a tuning corporation so it is easy to understand that another company developed their supercharger kit...

Anyway,concernign the factory compression ratio and the boost that you are talking about,the psi inside the combustion chamber is enormous and i have serious doubts if the engine can handle so much boost...
If you would talk about half bar or 0,6 then i suppose that the standard pistons/seal rings would be able to handle so much boost,but 1 bar???:icon11:
No way man...:shakehead

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 14:16
Breyton is not a tuning corporation so it is easy to understand that another company developed their supercharger kit...

Anyway,concernign the factory compression ratio and the boost that you are talking about,the psi inside the combustion chamber is enormous and i have serious doubts if the engine can handle so much boost...
If you would talk about half bar or 0,6 then i suppose that the standard pistons/seal rings would be able to handle so much boost,but 1 bar???:icon11:
No way man...:shakehead

All N42-N46 kits come with 6 to 7 psi pressure.

We do test on our own company BMWs 1 bar to see the limits of the engine.

george318ci
13-03-07, 15:47
Έμαθα ότι τοποθετείτε compressorας στο τετρακιλινδρο ισχύ? Γνωρίζεται κανένα site?

Fanis
13-03-07, 16:37
Ξέρω ότι στην Ελλάδα έχουν τοποθετήσει Compressor σε 4κύλινδρο οι: Καρράς (Άργος), Μανδύλας, Τακόρης, Καφούνης και σίγουρα και κάποιοι άλλοι που ξεχνάω. Λεπτομέρειες δεν γνωρίζω δυστυχώς...

george318ci
13-03-07, 16:41
να εισαι καλα... εχεισ ακουσει τυποτα απο επιδοσεις και αξιοπιστια?

psimos
13-03-07, 16:45
επικινδυνες καταστασεις...ο κουμπαρος μου πηγε να βαλει και μας απετρεψε ο ιδιος ο μηχανικος...

Εαν το βαλεις χωρις τις καταλληλες επεμβασεις θα πρεπει να εισαι αρκετα προσεχτικος...

george318ci
13-03-07, 16:48
ξερεις κατι παραπανω?

georggge46
13-03-07, 19:00
Can you tell me the price of this kit for my car?
I have one e46 318ci valvetronic with N46 engine.

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 19:11
Can you tell me the price of this kit for my car?
I have one e46 318ci valvetronic with N46 engine.


4800 Euro for the complete kit.

george318ci
13-03-07, 22:45
Ε46 318 118ps

george318ci
13-03-07, 22:49
E46 318 118PS

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 23:22
Ε46 318 118ps

172 hp supercharged

mormon
13-03-07, 23:26
i would like to ask if there is a kit about a BMW 316ci 105hp.
how easy is the instalation of this kit.

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 23:29
i would like to ask if there is a kit about a BMW 316ci 105hp.
how easy is the instalation of this kit.

yes there is a kit for the 316ci. We have many 316ci, especially with the make up after 2004. Power is 165 hp.

Installation: a good mechanic installs in 1 business day. An average mechanic in 1,5 days.

mormon
13-03-07, 23:32
the price of this kit including everything?

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 23:36
Price includes the COMPLETE KIT.

Shipment fee is extra. Shipment will cost between 120 to 170 Euro from Constantinopole to Greece.

mormon
13-03-07, 23:41
the kit price?

DA-MOTORSPORT
13-03-07, 23:47
the kit price?

kit price is 4800 Euro

Tasulis
14-03-07, 00:01
Price includes the COMPLETE KIT.

Shipment fee is extra. Shipment will cost between 120 to 170 Euro from Constantinopole to Greece.

Sir, can you tell me if i will come in your place you can fit as well??

How much is the cost for the kit for the N42B18 plus the instalation??
I also want to know if there is any guarantee for this modification.

DA-MOTORSPORT
14-03-07, 00:12
Sir, can you tell me if i will come in your place you can fit as well??

How much is the cost for the kit for the N42B18 plus the instalation??
I also want to know if there is any guarantee for this modification.



We charge 400 Euro for the installation because we install the kit in 1 day like a F1 Team.

When you or anyone from Greece comes to us, we will install the Supercharger kit for 400 euro. Then we will FINE TUNE On the DYNO DYNAMICS to extract the last possible horses. This allows to add 6 to 12 hp, as we spend a half day on dyno dynamics.

Fine Tuning of Software is free of charge. It wont be ethic to ask for money.

If we send the kit to Greece, you will get the extra powers, but you will still have a room of 6 to 12 horses left.

Tasulis
14-03-07, 00:22
Ok , but i ask you about guarantee sir. And you didn't answer me.
it's very important for all of us here to have an official guarantee.
Please also you must name a price cause we must do a planing.
And last, for how much horses we talk now??

manosm3
14-03-07, 00:36
tasulis ειναι δυσκολο να γυρισεις μια σελιδα πισω και να δεις οτι η τιμη ειναι περιπου στα 4800Ε;;;;

DA-MOTORSPORT
14-03-07, 00:54
Ok , but i ask you about guarantee sir. And you didn't answer me.
it's very important for all of us here to have an official guarantee.
Please also you must name a price cause we must do a planing.
And last, for how much horses we talk now??

sorry for the lack of information.

We give a warranty of 2 years for all of the supercharger kit. Basically the supercharger kits never fail. We designed the supercharger kits so that they are simple, easy to install and do not fail.

MERT

sthom
14-03-07, 10:00
Να ενημερωσω λιγο οτι οι μηχανικοι συμπιεστες,σαν αυοτυς που τοποθετει η εν λογω εταιρια,χρειαζονται συντηρηση με ειδικο λαδι σιλικονης που δεν ειναι και οτι φθηνοτερο.
Αυτο το λεω σχετικα με αυτο που προανεφερε οτι ποτε δεν χαλανε.

Απο εκει και περα κατα ποσο αξιοπιστοι ειναι,παρτε σαν μετρο συγκρισης τις αντιστοιχες Mercedes που κυκλοφορουν...

Σιγουρα δεν ειναι και σαν τα τουρμπο αλλα δεν ειναι και τερατα αξιοπιστιας...

Ασε που η αγορα του κιτ μαζι με την τοποθετηση κοστιζει οσο ενα 22αρι μοτερ με τα 172 αλογα.

Κοινως τι προτιματε;

Την αξιοπιστια της BMW και 172 αλογα ή 170 αλογα με κομπρεσσορα και μια 2ετη εγγυηση απο καποιον βελτιωτη 500 χλμ μακρυα και ουτε καν στην ιδια χωρα;

Υποψιν οτι δεν μιλαμε για καμια εξατμιση ή φιλτρο...

Tasulis
14-03-07, 15:46
ΚΑλα τα λες συναδελφε sthom αλλα ρε συ εαν ειναι να αλλαξουμε κινητηρα μπαινουμε σε αλλα μονοπατια. Ασε που η αλλαγη προυποθετει και τρεξιμο για δηλωση, φορολογια, ασφαλεια, τελη κυκλοφοριας.
Καταλαβαινεις τι λεω τωρα.

george318ci
14-03-07, 16:35
I have 318 with 118 ps I can I put supercharger?it is not valvetronic!

DA-MOTORSPORT
14-03-07, 16:41
I have 318 with 118 ps I can I put supercharger?it is not valvetronic!

Yes we also offer a supercharger kit for your 118 hp 318i.


regards,
mert

optostyle
14-03-07, 16:50
ΡΕ παιδια για να καταλαβω....του εκατσε κανενας πελατης?η απλα μπαινει απανταει και φευγει?

Tasulis
14-03-07, 21:09
Nα σε πω την αλήθεια δεν ξέρω, πάντως τον τυπο τον βλέπω οτι ειναι σε κοντρα στο e46fanatics με τα αμερικανακια που δεν ππιστεύουν πολλα πολλα.

Τι να πω ειμαι έτοιμος να κάνω ενα ταξιδι στην πόλη αλλά κάτι με φρενάρει.

ΘΟΔΩΡΗΣ330CI
15-03-07, 14:38
ΟΠΩΣ ΓΝΩΡΙΖΩ ΣΤΟ ΤΕΤΡΑΚΥΛΙΝΔΡΟ ΜΟΤΕΡ ΜΠΑΙΝΕΙ ΤΟΥΡΜΠΙΝΑ ΚΑΙ ΟΧΙ ΚΟΜΠΡΕΣΟΡΑΣ!!!ΣΤΑ ΕΞΑΚΥΛΙΝΔΡΑ ΒΑΖΕΙΣ ΚΟΜΠΡΕΣΟΡΑ....

Dim77
15-03-07, 14:41
Θοδωρή μη βιάζεσαι!!
Στα τετρακύλινδρα μοτέρ 1.6-1.8-1.9 με 8βαλβίδες ναι μπαίνει τούρμπο...
Στα 16βαλβιδα 1.6 (115 hp) και 2.0 valvetronic(143-150) δε μπαίνει τουρμπίνα (ή απλά δε το ρισκάρει κανένας βελτιωτής)

Επίσης επειδή είναι το πρώτο σου ποστ να γράφεις με μικρά και όχι κεφαλαία, είναι κανόνας του φόρουμ!

Christos 330i ///M
15-03-07, 14:45
ΟΠΩΣ ΓΝΩΡΙΖΩ ΣΤΟ ΤΕΤΡΑΚΥΛΙΝΔΡΟ ΜΟΤΕΡ ΜΠΑΙΝΕΙ ΤΟΥΡΜΠΙΝΑ ΚΑΙ ΟΧΙ ΚΟΜΠΡΕΣΟΡΑΣ!!!ΣΤΑ ΕΞΑΚΥΛΙΝΔΡΑ ΒΑΖΕΙΣ ΚΟΜΠΡΕΣΟΡΑ....

Θοδωρα μην την ψαχνεις στην Ελλαδα ειμασται και ολα γινωνται . . . !
Αναλωγα πως θα του την βαρεσει τον καθε εναν . . . !

sthom
15-03-07, 15:40
Το κακο ειναι οτι αν γινει μπινια,την πληρωνουμε απο την τσεπη μας...Ασε που η εγγυηση που δινουν καποιοι ειναι "περιορισμενου χρονου".:(

InsaneDriver
16-03-07, 00:50
Πάντως είδα τη βελτίωση του 330ci αναλυτικά στο site http://www.da-motorsport.com/projeler/panos330tci/index.htmο οποίος παρεπιπτόντως είναι και έλληνας αν δείτε τις πινακίδες...

Φαίνεται πλήρης η μετατροπή. Από εκεί και πέρα είναι θέμα γνώσης προγραμματισμού και αντοχής υλικών, πιέσεων κτλπ...

Δεν ξέρω. Φοβάμαι μην είναι ένας ακόμα turboδάρας ο φίλος μας...

JimPik
16-03-07, 01:53
ναι ειναι καποιος ελληνας....

BILL007
28-07-08, 23:35
Αν τον βρίσκαμε αυτόν τον Έλληνα να ρωτάγαμε...Αυτό το θέμα με τον Τούρκο έχει γίνει πασίγνωστο...